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An Armed Citizen Might Have Made a Difference in Aurora

By: Lloyd Brown | Posted: July 24, 2012 3:55 AM
From the Right Coast

What happened in Aurora, Colo., could happen in Florida. Fortunately, more than 1 million Florida residents are prepared. 

Since 1987, residents of the state have been issued permits to carry sidearms. As of June 30, 1,132,116 people had concealed carry permits in the Sunshine State.

Nationwide, 39 states now issue concealed carry permits, and have seen crime rates decrease.

There are hundreds of examples of ordinary citizens who have saved lives or property. In Jacksonville several years ago, for example, a shotgun-wielding bandit threatening a restaurant waitress was brought down when not one but two patrons drew weapons, and one fired.

As of this writing, all that was known about the incident in Colorado is that some nut began firing into a movie theater, killing at least a dozen people.

What we also know is that the incident will be followed by cries to ban handguns. In fact, the liberal mayor of New York was at it hours after the carnage in Colorado.

Anyone who has read the fine work of John Lott Jr., knows that taking guns away from law-abiding people will mean a better life for criminals.

In his seminal work, "More Guns, Less Crime," Lott documented how an armed population benefits society. This is true even when they don’t act, because the very threat of an armed population is a deterrent to criminals.

Without knowing the details of the Colorado shooting, we can surmise that an armed citizen might have made a difference.

Certainly that would have been the case in a Luby’s restaurant in Texas two decades ago, when a woman saw her mother and father gunned down by a madman – along with 21 others. She had a weapon but, because of Texas law at the time, had been forced to leave it outside in her car that day.

Florida residents can carry their weapons in restaurants and movie theaters, but many places are off limits. These include bars, schools, most public buildings such as courthouses, and polling places.

Even in courthouses, criminals aren’t safe. More than 500 judges carry handguns. One might have come in handy in Jacksonville 40 years ago when a husband chased his wife through the crowded courthouse hallways, blasting away with a gun.

Many retired police officers, private detectives, private security and “repo” men carry weapons as well. Another 944,582 are ordinary citizens willing to protect themselves and others, if possible.

More than 50,000 permits have been issued to residents of crime-ridden Dade County. Perhaps the safest place for a busy criminal is in Lafayette County, where only six permits have been issued, all to security personnel.

In the liberal Utopia that is yet to come, presumably no one will need guns because Mother Government will provide everyone with all they need or want and there will be no need to steal. Meanwhile, rational inhabitants of Planet Earth recognize that crime and evil exist and they resist it when they must because the authorities cannot always be there to help them.



Lloyd Brown was in the newspaper business nearly 50 years, beginning as a copy boy and retiring as editorial page editor of the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville. After retirement he served as speech writer for Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.


Comments (30)

Jack Foster
10:23AM JUL 25TH 2012
Look up the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" in the dictionary, see which one should live in a democracy. You "heroes" should go to Syria. Maybe you could actually do some good there(or die! either way would help the rest of us). You need a drivers license. Too bad we didn't have cars then or the founders could have made driving a constitutional right. You're morons. The rich appreciate your devoted lunacy.
Mister B
12:49PM NOV 30TH 2012
This isn't a Democracy and driving is a privilege you moron.
Repubtallygirl
11:08AM JUL 24TH 2012
13 Politically Incorrect Gun Rules

1. Guns have only two enemies rust and politicians.

2. It’s always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

3. Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.

4. Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.

5. Never say, “I’ve got a gun.” If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.

6. The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.

7. The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – cheat if necessary.

8. Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . . You may get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to beat you to death with it, because it’ll be empty.

9. If you’re in a gunfight:

- If you’re not shooting, you should be loading.

- If you’re not loading, you should be moving.

- If you’re not moving, you’re dead.

10. In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!

11. If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?

12. You can say ‘stop’ or ‘alto’ or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much a universal language.

13. You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.
Mister B
12:51PM NOV 30TH 2012
14. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who did not". -Thomas Jefferson
lou1011
9:30AM JUL 24TH 2012
Anti gun advocates are the worst kind of hypocrite.
It makes no sense to me why anti-gun [filtered word]s blame all tragedies like Colorado on GUNS. This “carrot top” was clearly insane and we continue to profile him as a “right wing conspirator”. It is crazy to think or even attempt to change the publics mind about these incidents.
Guns in the hands of the law abiding people is our Constitutional right. Guns in the hands of the terrorist, is like guns in the hands of those who care less about the Constitution or our rights. Why do we make up LAWS that only the law abider pays attention to? The LAWLESS people will exist with or without laws and they will kill, murder, rape and rob no matter how many laws congress wants to create. This is not about GUNS or LAWS, it is a fact of life and our society has a hard time understanding, and…our politicians have no common sense about this and I don’t expect that to change any time soon.
Frank
10:06AM JUL 24TH 2012
Great - let's have them on airplanes, in the Legislature and schools. Our rights can't be abridged, despite what Judge Scalia says, right:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." [Scalia; DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER]

Perhaps there is room for a little reason, after all.
Repubtallygirl
11:09AM JUL 24TH 2012
Yes, you can carry into the Capitol. I did all the time last session.
Frank
10:28PM JUL 24TH 2012
"IN" the Legislature, not Capitol.
wawoo
12:10PM JUL 24TH 2012
Presumably as you are no doubt absolutely law abiding you disclosed your possession of a firearm to Capitol security?
Repubtallygirl
3:05PM JUL 24TH 2012
Every time. I showed them my drivers' license and CWP. According to the Capitol Police, there are quite a few people who carry in the Capitol. Its called 'concealed' for a reason.
wawoo
4:11PM JUL 24TH 2012
Good for you, I happen to believe that if guns are really deterrents, the law should preclude concealed carry except for active/on duty law enforcement and the permit should be for open carry.
wawoo
8:15AM JUL 24TH 2012
Bull poop, that experiment was already tried in the Gabby Gifford's shooting. In broad daylight. There were several people with concealed carry permits who were at that event and, thankfully, did not commence shooting as they could not tell who was who in the melee of thoae taking down the shooter. This is a dangerous fantasy to believe in a darkened theatre that a gunfight at the OK corral would have reduced the causualties.
wawoo
8:15AM JUL 24TH 2012
Bull poop, that experiment was already tried in the Gabby Gifford's shooting. In broad daylight. There were several people with concealed carry permits who were at that event and, thankfully, did not commence shooting as they could not tell who was who in the melee of thoae taking down the shooter. This is a dangerous fantasy to believe in a darkened theatre that a gunfight at the OK corral would have reduced the causualties.
Repubtallygirl
11:02AM JUL 24TH 2012
To quote you, bull poop. There was one guy who was at a nearby store who was carrying and once he heard the shots, he ran out to help but the shooter was already down.

And yes, had people been carrying, they could have fought back. Unlike you, I REFUSE to be a victim.

Look to the elderly man at the Internet Cafe armed robbery recently. He saved everyone in the Cafe by taking out his firearm and shooting the bad guys.
wawoo
12:08PM JUL 24TH 2012
No one was "saved' in that affair. Those were incompetent punks that , if I recall, did not have a functional weapon. The old fart capped 2 functionally unarmed idiots. Had they been real bad boys with pistols with 30 round magazines, it probably would have been a nasty state of affairs.
Repubtallygirl
3:07PM JUL 24TH 2012
The point is he was armed, shot the assailants, and yes, saved the patrons inside. How did he know that their weapon was not functioning? He saw something and did something. He is a hero.
wawoo
4:07PM JUL 24TH 2012
Sorry, no one was "saved" by old fart with gun. Not really armed ninconpoops with gun that did not work trying to rob folks and they knew it and thus getting their sorry butts capped by old fart with working gun does not make for a real rescue ranger story.I realize you folks lead a rich fantasy life but plueeezzzz get a grip.
jonah
7:49AM JUL 24TH 2012
If you have any questions regarding the CWP law or training contact 1-866-371-6111 and the Instructors at Equip 2 Conceal will be happy to help you.
RepublicanConscience
6:46AM JUL 24TH 2012
It is unfortunate that the liberals "Know so much that isn't so." (Ronald Reagan). The Aurora Theater 9 shooting is a tragedy but it could have been less tragic and I agree with the author. If only 6 of the hundreds of patrons in the theater were armed the number of people shot could have been cut by 75%.

If this happened in NYC, and an armed citizen shot and killed the shooter, the citizen would be charged with illegal possession of a hand gun, discharging an illegal firearm, murder in the first degree because NYC has banned all guns so he must have planned to murder someone if he had a gun. Gunman should never have gotten out of the theater alive. Then we would not have to listen to the talking heads trying to make sense of this senseless mass murder 24/7 for the next 3 years so we could focus on the real problems of this country, especially the one in the White House, US Senate, and House of Representatives.
Frank
10:13AM JUL 24TH 2012
Must be a typo - substitute "cut" for "increased". Nothing like having a mutliple gun exchange in a theater crowded with people to increase the body count, especially when someone's wearing body armour.

Obviously, we all should be carrying our AR-15s into movie theaters.
John Paul Jones
4:57PM JUL 24TH 2012
The AR-15 is a little impracticle while sitting in a theatre. Most of the shots in that confined space could be effectively made with a pistol...plus its easier to keep while in your seat. A .45 with a laser grip sight (because its kind of dark) would have put the criminal down quickly. Yes, Frank I would rather be in a gun "fight" then a slaughter by an armed lunatic in a room full of unarmed targets. He was not wearing body armour. From what I have seen reported, he had a vest on but no plates so a couple decent shots would have put him down. Plus, he is a dork who probably would have run crying if someone had fired back. Maybe your West Point upbringing has led you to develop some other tips.
Frank
11:44PM JUL 29TH 2012
Yes, you must be right, so I guess that's why Hubert Williams, former head of the Newark police department and president of the Police Foundation, said that the idea that average citizens with guns could keep a theater safe only makes sense "on a piece of paper."

He further indicated that "Reality is much more complicated. What if you pull a gun out, take aim and someone else thinks you're the shooter?" he asked. "Would you stand up against an AR-15, AK-47 military-style assault weapon? Give me a break."

Yes, I'm sure you know more about this than those who make it a career to deal with such situations.

Guess this will just have to go down in your log as another example of your "Big Lie".
Frank
10:21PM JUL 24TH 2012
Yes, minimize civilian casualties. I'm sure your laser sight will work just fine through all that smoke and people running everywhere, when it won't be clear who is the "enemy" - may you not get taken out by friendly fire.
John Paul Jones
5:33AM JUL 25TH 2012
Well that's very nice of you to wish me well Frank and I hope you never fall to friendly fire either. Don't always counter that someone who has a different position than you desires some extreme position (carrying rifles on planes). It turns what could be a productive debate into something silly. Since you practically live on this site I'll assume you live in FL. WE can legally carry firearms here. I pray I never have any need to use it, but I will carry a firearm anywhere I can without getting arrested. I would gladly use it to save my life, anyone in my family's life, or even yours. Murders, even mass murders, have been going on for centuries (even before firearms) but firearms allow people to defend themselves. I support restrictions on who can purchase firearms, to prevent criminals or the insane from having them, but I do not support banning them from particular types of facilities unless those places are highly protected by armed security (places like the white house, capitol, airports etc). I might even support laws which punish people for using a firearm without having sufficient training. That one is tricky but I think it can be done.
Bill Bauman
12:30PM JUL 25TH 2012
Last year in the US, there were over 31,000 shooting deaths. In the UK, there were 53. I wonder why.
John Paul Jones
4:23PM JUL 25TH 2012
Wow you are smart. Why don't you continue your research and determine how many of those were committed by criminals who will never abide by gun laws? Then figure how many people were killed by cars. How many of the shooting deaths were self defense and how many were done by police in the line of duty? I'm not sure I buy your numbers in the first place but alone they are meaningless. Also, they do not support any attempt to take away the rights of the law abiding citizens in the U.S. If you would feel safer in the UK...
Frank
10:51PM JUL 25TH 2012
Yes, I see you trying to compare car deaths against gun deaths (note: this is not to confirm the presented number). Why not just argue that gun deaths are a small portion of overall deaths - that equally makes the same amount of sense.

Idealogues never like actual facts, be it for gun deaths, climate change or evolutionary science.
Frank
10:48PM JUL 25TH 2012
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Repubtallygirl
10:54AM JUL 24TH 2012
You couldn't 'conceal' an AR. Btw, do you know that responsible AR gun owners can take a class offered by the Wakulla County Sheriff's Dept?
Yes, they offer an AR gun class.

Someone who was carrying could have saved lives.

And, for the record, I am always packing.
Frank
10:23PM JUL 24TH 2012
Remind me of that "always" next time you fly.

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