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Could Ron Paul Leave the GOP and Go Third Party?

By: Kevin Derby | Posted: November 8, 2011 12:28 PM
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Will Ron Paul bail on the Republican Party again?

Currently making his second bid for the Republican presidential nomination, the Texas Republican has been engaged in third-party politics before -- as the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee in 1988 and commending, to various degrees, three minor candidates in the 2008 general election: independent Ralph Nader, Green Party nominee former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia and Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin.

While Paul, who retains one of the most loyal bases of supporters in American politics, has denied interest in making another third-party run in 2012, the door remains slightly open for, once again, leaving the GOP.

Earlier this week, Alexander Burns over at Politico examined recent media appearances by Paul and noted that the congressman from the Lone Star State repeatedly insists he has “no intention” of making a third-party run.

“If Paul really has absolutely no interest in running outside the GOP, a shorter answer would be ‘no.’ But he keeps going back to ‘no intention,’ a famously nonbinding construction,” wrote Burns.

While he is doing better at this stage in the game than he was back in the 2008 election cycle, Paul remains -- at best -- in the second tier of Republican hopefuls alongside Gov. Rick Perry of Texas and former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Paul continues to draw heavy fire from Republican leaders and the conservative establishment. For example, conservative leader Gary Bauer, best known for leading the Family Research Council and running for the Republican presidential nomination and now leading the Campaign for Working Families PAC, slammed Paul in an email to supporters sent out on Tuesday.

“When it comes to foreign policy, Ron Paul's views are most often defined as ‘isolationism.’ But I am convinced Paul at heart is a pacifist,” Bauer wrote. “His foreign-policy views are dangerously naïve and, in my opinion, disqualify him from consideration to be our next commander in chief. Every time he opens his mouth, he sounds like appeaser Neville Chamberlain or the radicals at Code Pink.”

Bauer pointed to an interview Paul did with Fox News in which the Texas congressman downplayed the threat Iran poses.

“Seriously, Ron?” asked Bauer. “Iran is not a threat to us or anyone in the region? Ever heard of Hezbollah? What about the multitude of reports indicating that the IEDs blowing up our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have been coming out of Iran?

“Paul thinks we can join hands with the mullahs, sing 'Kumbaya' and all will be well,” continued Bauer. “Obama has tried the ‘kid gloves’ approach with Iran, and this week's expected IAEA reports will speak volumes about his success. The world remains a dangerous place, and America desperately needs a leader who has the will to defend freedom from tyranny here and abroad.”

Bauer ended with a jab at Paul’s appeals to religious conservatives.

“Paul said last week that he opposed the resolution reaffirming ‘In God We Trust’ as our national motto,” noted Bauer.

While the Republican leadership continues to pound away at Paul, the Texas congressman is doing better in straw polls this time around. For example, Paul scored a big win in the 2012 Illinois Republican Pre-Presidential Straw Poll which closed on Saturday. The event, which was open to Illinois voters who paid $5 to the state GOP, drew almost 3,650 voters online and in person. Balloting was open for a week.

Paul routed the field, taking 52 percent of the vote. Businessman Herman Cain took second with 18 percent and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts took third with 14 percent. Gingrich took fourth with 9 percent. The rest of the field followed with none of them breaking 3 percent.

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4:24PM NOV 12TH 2011
If you think Ron Paul is a pacifist, you clearly do not understand his views, all there is to it. He is the STRONGEST National Defense candidate by far. He is the only one who would respond appropriately to actions taken against us. Not wanting to be the world's thought-police, bombing anyone who might theoretically someday pose a risk, is not isolationism. If you think it is, you have a fundamental misunderstanding ofeither Paul's policy or the concept of isolationism itself. That is not an opinion, it is a fact, the word is clearly defined and his politics simply do not support it, PERIOD. Saying anything else is a lie and a smear campaign designed to deprive Americans of any real choice in the election.
Angry
4:57PM NOV 9TH 2011
HE IA NOT GOING INDEPENDENT SO STOP SUGGESTING THAT HE MIGHT!!!
Robert Lloyd
10:05AM NOV 9TH 2011
Bauer is the perfect example of a murderous neo-con. As he doesn't support Mr Paul, that should be further proof of Mr Paul qualifications.

Because Mr Paul does not agree with the invasion of a country or murder of innocent people, that makes him a pacifist? I believe that makes him qualified as a true leader.
Susanne
2:43PM NOV 12TH 2011
Mr. Lloyd: U don't understand the meaning of pacifism. Dr. Paul does fit the definition as Mr. Bauer described it. It appears you agree with Dr. Paul, and that pacifism is a quality or viewpoint you want to see in our next leader.. . . that is your perogative, but don't try to confuse yourself or others. The Color Orange is Orange.
RonPaulWins2012
4:53AM NOV 9TH 2011
Kevin Derby: "Paul remains -- at best -- in the second tier of Republican hopefuls"

[LAUGHS] THAT'S COMPLETE BULL[filtered word]!

Ron Paul is the real, consistent front-runner and has the best likelihood of becoming the GOP nominee and the 45th President of the United States. Ron Paul completely dominates almost any and all online polls, usually by complete and total landslide. More importantly, Ron Paul has won more in person voting straw polls than any other Republican candidate, several by complete landslide. That means Ron Paul has more real voters voting. Real voters and real votes. And they'll ALL be voting for Ron Paul in the GOP Primaries, just like the majority of the rest of the electorate.

Some straw polls:

- CPAC straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 30% Paul, 23% Romney. (3,742 participants)
- New Hampshire Young Republicans straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 45% Paul, 10% Romney, 8% Perry. (302 participants )
- Iowa GOP straw poll: Ron Paul 2nd: 27% Paul, 28% Bachmann (only 200 more votes than Paul). (17,000 participants , $30/each)
- California GOP straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 50% Paul, 29% Perry, 8% Romney. (833 participants)
- Values Voters summit GOP straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 37% Paul, 23% Cain, 16% Santorum. (3,400 participants )
- Ohio GOP straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 53% Paul, 25% Cain, 8% Romney. (428 participants, $25/each)
- Iowa NFRA straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 82% Paul, 14% Cain. (400 participants)
- Illinois GOP straw poll: Ron Paul wins: 52% Paul. (3,649 participants, $5/each)

ALL those above straw polls, minus Illinois, were ALL in person voters.

ALL real voters, ALL real votes, and they ALL count.

Ron Paul will win 2012. Get ready for it. :)
Enidan
3:47AM NOV 9TH 2011
I'm confused; the article makes it sound like Democrats and Independents can't vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. This is false--all they have to do is register Republican before the deadline.

My intelligence is officially insulted.
Donald Hicks
3:16AM NOV 9TH 2011
In your article you describe Ron Paul's foreign policy as "isolationist," but clearly you must not understand or know anything about Ron Paul because he believes strongly in free trade, and NOT ISOLATION. What you meant to say is NON INTERVENTIONIST FOREIGN POLICY. These are two completely different things. Next time you decide to write an article on a topic you know very little about, Please do some research first, Kevin Derby.

I'm sure this won't get posted, but you should know that this is just sloppy journalism. Don't quit your day job.
Kevin Derby
3:21AM NOV 9TH 2011
Please note, Mr. Hicks, that I did not call Congressman Paul an isolationist. The comment came from a quote from Gary Bauer. Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment.
patriot1
2:19AM NOV 9TH 2011
If Ron Paul is such a pacifist, then how come he's always been a staunch defender of the right to keep and bear arms?
kevin
2:06AM NOV 9TH 2011
Status Quo Retoric.you guys are getting pretty good at this. first you news pundits were praising romney but the public would not embrace him, so along came perry you guys were really giddish over him but guess what? nobody in the real world liked him either.well then you thoght surely cain would be your man but no he has landed in the middle of a big dirty scandel.Im still were I have been all along ,with the only candidate that has the countrys best interest at heart . Yep you guessed it ,Ron Paul he has more support than you guys are giving him credit for .you see people are waking up and seeing the world as it is instead of this picture the media has been painting .we know its not all your fault we also know the owners of the media tell you guys what you can and cant say. however the veil is being lifted and more are seeing. Ron Paul is the one we can trust to return this country to the days of prosperity hope and happiness .everyone else would be another puppet of coporate elite. I cant speak for everyone but I will never let the media pick my president . all i can say is everyone that wants a future for their children better reconsider Ron Paul and stop listening to pundits like you.
Nick
1:45AM NOV 9TH 2011
He was on Fox Sunday news and said he has no intention of running third party. When asked why not, he responded "because I don't want to do that"
Eve Marie
1:15AM NOV 9TH 2011
It's Ron Paul or NONE at all for this voter.
I won't waste another vote for a puppet, be it Romney, Perry or the Grinch.
The choices are Paul or Obama. GOP better wake up!
Joe Vinezza
1:12AM NOV 9TH 2011
Everyday for the past week there have been endless articles about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate; Paul has already stated he isn't.

Can it be a coincidence that in every town and hamlet across America this fantasy of Ron Paul running as a third candidate is being promoted? I don't think so.
Pauly
11:24PM NOV 8TH 2011
They fear Dr. Paul because he is winning straw polls with a stance that threatens their establishment.

These people cant build a solid foundation on mud.
Dr. Paul is here to save the day.
C4LCNCPLS
9:49PM NOV 8TH 2011
Wow, these people sure are scared to death of Ron Paul.
yerko
8:17PM NOV 8TH 2011
"What about the multitude of reports indicating that the IEDs blowing up our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have been coming out of Iran?"

If you understood his foreign policy, you would not have said this statement. Ron Paul has said countless times that Iran is no real threat to the United States, he didn't say anything about the safety of troops in Hostile Countries.

Scenario: Lets say all troops are out of those countries....Ron Paul improves security in the u.s tenfold, how many troops or citizens of the U.S would be killed by Iran then? and dont say Iran will get a hold of a nuke and drop it in the states or ill be tempted to slap you.
Richard Wicks
8:10PM NOV 8TH 2011
The only reason this questions is continually asked is to make Ron Paul look like an outsider so people won't vote for him in the primary.

There is absolutely no chance at all that a 3rd party candidate can win the presidency. Ron Paul knows this, he's already tried it, he won't waste his time or money attempting it.

We have a two party system, the media ignores everybody else. It's that simple. Who ran in the Libertarian party in 2008? Does anybody know? How about the Green party? How about the Constitution party?

Gee, you don't know? Well, that's our "media" fascist Pravda today. They don't inform you - but I bet you know what happened to Michael Jackson's doctor. The media is all over that, "informing" you of that relevant important "information".
Seamus
8:02PM NOV 8TH 2011
A handful of warmongering neocons left over from the Bush years hate Ron Paul? So what? He's still beating the media giants trying to crush him, and is well on his way to becoming the POTUS.
Tanner
7:57PM NOV 8TH 2011
Voting for Ron Paul only.. It is time to get away from this 2 party scam.
Tanner
7:57PM NOV 8TH 2011
Voting for Ron Paul only.. It is time to get away from this 2 party scam.
Mike L
7:50PM NOV 8TH 2011
His foreign policy is non-interventionist, not isolationist for one. And for my second point, you naive little appeaser. Ron Paul has a HUGE base of support, no poll is reflective of that. I work on a Marine Base, with thousands and thousands of Marines. About 90% of them silently support Paul. You idiots are pushing for ANOTHER useless WAR which is going to end up with more of my buddies getting killed.
That will GALVANIZE the military to support Paul to their last man. He already gets more donations than any other candidate from the military. Just imagine what he will get in support from them at the polls.
mike
7:46PM NOV 8TH 2011
ron paul is an interventionalist not a isolationalist...

even these people are write articles must be stupid enough to forget the two definitions.
Peter
7:40PM NOV 8TH 2011
Ron Paul is the man! Ron Paul 2012.
jason
7:10PM NOV 8TH 2011
Ron Paul doesn't have to run 3rd party, since many of us are voting for him and him only. If the Republicans nominate someone else then they will still lose due to write-ins and lower turnout. There are 2 choices, Obama or Ron Paul.
jason
7:10PM NOV 8TH 2011
Ron Paul doesn't have to run 3rd party, since many of us are voting for him and him only. If the Republicans nominate someone else then they will still lose due to write-ins and lower turnout. There are 2 choices, Obama or Ron Paul.
powder1
7:02PM NOV 8TH 2011
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NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
6:31PM NOV 8TH 2011
Binyamin Netanyahu demands:

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is more popular* than Ronald Ernest Paul
Evan Rogers
6:07PM NOV 8TH 2011
I hope he does (IF he doesn't get the Republican nomination).

Let me first say: Why isn't anyone asking Romney, Cain, Bachman, or Perry this question?

Next, he would DEFINITELY get his 3rd party the necessary 3% popular vote for federal funding. I hope he does run.
Liberty without demagogues
5:00PM NOV 8TH 2011
The term 'isolationist' is a slur used by uneducated demagogues like Billy O'Really and everyone else like Gary Bauer who have a large interest in keeping America in war. If they feel so threatened by all this supposed agression coming from Iran, they should take up the call and send their children to war or should go themselves. America should fear losing more soldiers for stupid wars. I am not afraid of Iran, nuclear weapons and all. It is amazing that people are scared of that nation.

In addition, Mr. Bauer's blatant hate comes from the fact that Dr. Paul's libertarian views keeps him from being discriminatory against the LGBT community. Mr. Bauer is simply an opulent biggot with a bible.
This article does not report the term "Non-interventionist" which is what Dr. Paul actually is. Bauer is a demagogue and a biggot who feels really threatened that the GOP is changing. We have to be very careful about people like this who use the guise of being a "good" Christian to influence politics. God is good, but using his name in the name of politics against your neighbour is blasphamous. Bauer is war-drumming sycophant.

Thomas Aquinas says that “it is clear that blasphemy, which is a sin committed directly against God, is more grave than murder, which is a sin against one's neighbor. … it is called the most grievous sin, for as much as it makes every sin more grievous. Shame on you Mr. Bauer, shame on you.
The media, much like this article keep referring to polls and the data which they claim are sound data; they keep forgetting to inform their readers that all poll data is bogus and use a small sample size. The data is flawed, irrelavent and should not be reported. The odds of a for-profit poll company predicting who is going to be the president in 2012 are poor at best, dog has better odds of choosing a winner. Reporting flawed poll data from the likes of Rasmussen et al in news stories is propagandist because you're simply amplying bad data to serve your points of view. So, discard polls and their data--vote with your moral compass. Vote Ron Paul--the soldiers who support him can't be wrong.
patriot1
2:32AM NOV 9TH 2011
I agree. Gary Bauer is another one of those phony "Christians." I take offense to him, because I consider myself to be a REAL Christian. Blessed are the peacemakers, love thy neighbor as thyself, that's what I believe in. Bauer is wrong about Dr. Paul being a pacifist as well. Ron Paul is no pacifist, he is one of the greatest defenders of the 2nd Amendment, the best friend a gun owner could have. Someone who is a pacifist would be for gun control, which Dr. Paul has never been. I own guns, but I don't believe in violence at all, I would never harm another soul or any living creature. Self defense, on the other hand, is a different story, and that I DO believe in. Ron Paul for President!
Tab
4:58PM NOV 8TH 2011
And that is why the GOP will not win the election in 2012. More of the same old,same old war and fear mongering in order to boost corporate profits of the military industrial complex. We (ex-republicans like myself) have seen through this charade. Independents have seen through this charade.

We demand that our politicians be constrained by the Constitution, not free use of 'executive order' to propagate endless "wars".

We demand peaceful trade with other nations and keeping our nose out of others' business as our forefathers advised.

We demand defense of OUR borders, not Afghanistan and Israels.

We demand an end to the military empire, not to our defense.

Ron Paul is these things so smear him with the taint of 'pacifist' and 'isolationist'.

We are done voting for the status quo. Give us Ron Paul as the GOP nominee or endure four more years of Obama. In our opinion, one form of tyranny is the same as the other.
Jesse
4:33PM NOV 8TH 2011
He's not a pacifist. He thinks a military solution is the last resort, not the first, as has been the tendency lately. It's been a long time since our country has made any real efforts at diplomacy. We pay lip service, make demands like a petulant child, then drop bombs.
Ron Paul is no pacifist
3:49PM NOV 8TH 2011
Ron Paul was a cold war warrior. He opposed SALT because it limited our pursuit of Star Wars and felt we shouldn't impede our sovereign decisions by binding ourselves to the integrity of a country (the Soviets) that had broken every treaty they had entered into.

Ron Paul is being pestered about this so much when he has made it clear he is not running that it will become irrelevant. If the GOP and media treat him badly enough, I can't see his supporters voting for the nominee. If you want him to act like he is a part of the party, treat him fairly as if you really believed he is.