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Climate Change Squall Between Obama and Marco Rubio Teams

By: Kevin Derby | Posted: May 20, 2014 3:55 AM
Barack Obama and Marco Rubio

Barack Obama and Marco Rubio

President Barack Obama’s and U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio’s, R-Fla., teams have tangled in recent days as the senator from Florida continues to leave the door open to running for president in 2016.

At the end of last week, Organizing for Action, the heir to Obama’s Organizing for America, took aim at Rubio for comments he made earlier this month on climate change.

Rubio told CNN that he had major doubts about whether humans were influencing climate change.

"I think severe weather has been a fact of life on earth since man started recording history,” Rubio said on “CNN Tonight” two weeks ago. “I understand that there's a vast consensus of scientists that are saying that human activity is what's contributing to changes in our climate. I think it's an enormous stretch to say that every weather incident that we read about or the majority of them are attributable to human activity."

Rubio repeated those comments on ABC’s “This Week” last week during an interview with Jon Karl.

"I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it," Rubio said.

The Republican also said government efforts to fight climate change often hurt the economy. "I do not believe that the laws that they propose we pass will do anything about it, except it will destroy our economy," Rubio said.

Jon Carson, the executive director of Organizing for America, pounced on Thursday, insisting Rubio “doubled down on doubting climate science.”

“Sen. Marco Rubio said in an interview this week that he didn't believe scientists are right in stating that human activity is affecting climate change,” Carson insisted. “Sometimes you just have to call it like you see it: Marco Rubio is a climate change denier.”

Insisting that denial is “dangerous” and “nonsense,” Carson called for supporters to call Rubio out on the issue. Carson also pointed toward Florida, insisting the Sunshine State faces perils due to climate change.

“Miami is one of the American cities most vulnerable to rising sea levels -- they've already risen 8 inches since 1870, and it's speeding up: a recent report said they could rise another 2 feet by 2060,” Carson noted. “Despite all that, Sen. Rubio denies the science behind climate change.”

Rubio’s team fired back on Friday night with Terry Sullivan from Reclaim America, a PAC associated with the Florida Republican, looking to rally Republicans against Obama.

“When President Obama's political arm, Organizing for America, sends out an email attacking you, you're doing something right,” Sullivan insisted. “Clearly, the Obama machine is targeting Marco.

“There's no telling how much money the professional left is making off of attacks like this, even though they know the laws they are proposing -- like job-killing cap-and-trade -- will be devastating to the American economy,” Sullivan added.



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Comments (12)

John Paul Jones
3:05PM MAY 22ND 2014
Note that in multiple days worth of frantic dirt digging, Frank could not come up with a single relevant fact regarding the scientific conclusions on climate change from the organizations I referenced. Anyone else who made even a cursory inquiry into those organizations found many highly accomplished scientists with professional opinions that, by default, prove that Frank's assertions, that all the scientists agree with him, are spectacularly false. Throw some more mud child... or better yet, invent some more degrees for yourself.
Frank
11:10PM MAY 22ND 2014
Why should I waste my time once again providing known science to you when you clearly haven't (and won't) listen to whatever evidence and facts are presented (nor does it appear you'd even have the technical abilities to understand). . . .would you even listen to 200 of the world's leading scientific organizations . . . . or 97% of all the world's climate scientists . . . . .

No, you've already made that clear that all the world's scientists are lying (false) except for your few scientists, many of whom have few credentials in climate science . . . . . .no, all you know how to do is deny, deny, deny . . . and use one of the least respected groups that exists to try and do that . . . and you aren't even honest about that and what you and they have said . . . . . because you can't take back your vile statements that are on the record (and those of the Heartland Institute you embrace) . . . . . so now you prove that you obviously can't even use infant logic to try and claim that by default all the scientists that agree with me are spectacularly false . . . . sad, really sad in your delusional state . . . .

Pathetic . . . . .
John Paul Jones
11:05PM MAY 20TH 2014
To be clear, the following is not for Frank. I certainly do not wish to insult his religion which he is free to practice. Anyone else wishing to do some of their own research and thinking, something progressives do not allow, may look into the below listed organizations to read some good information from groups of world class scientists who are not beholden to the government and political masters like Frank's cited organizations.

The Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC);

The International Climate Science Coalition; and

The Heartland Institute.

They all have websites but SSN will not allow posting of the links. And do not have fear that Frank will label you as a "denier." The Left's intentional use of a term linking man-made global warming skeptics to Holocaust deniers is a clear sign of panic similar to Frank's overzealous protests. And I wouldn't be too quick to accept Frank's claim that he has 40 years of modeling experience. A family member of mine designs missile guidance systems. To do that he has to use extensive modeling. In short, if missile A doesn't hit missile B, then no one cares what the model said. There is a little pressure to ensure that the models work before wasting a test shot or deploying the finished product on an active platform. Too bad the UN IPCC doesn't have to hold their models to the same standard. We must all keep asking why none of them work (even to account for past temperature variations) but they are still being used by politicians to predict not only doom and gloom, but the urgent need to grow government. But that is what you get when the government is in charge.
Frank
9:38PM MAY 21ST 2014
WOW . . . placing all your credibility on the Heartland Institute . . . . whom you labeled as comprised of "world class scientists" . . . . that institute that pays some of those attached to those two other organizations and edits, funds and publishes their papers while arguing that global warming would be beneficial if it is occurring . . . .

WOW . . . .placing all your eggs on the Heartland Institute which only two years ago this month launched a digital billboard ad campaign in the Chicago area featuring a photo of Ted Kaczynski, (the "Unabomber" whose mail bombs killed and injured multiple people) asking the question “I still believe in global warming, do you?” . . . . . and then defended their billboard campaign by declaring that "The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen." . . . . these are the type of "world class scientists" you're defending?! . . . . . . .

WOW . . . maybe you missed the Heartland Institute President's pronouncement the same day that "The leaders of the global warming movement have one thing in common: They are willing to use force and fraud to advance their fringe theory.” . . . . .perhaps that's why you've previously stated yourself that when it comes to your disagreeing with others on such issues that: “I’m so thankful that millions of us have guns or God knows what unsavory methods you crazies would attempt to force your oppressive and destructive ways on us” . . . . . . . .

Yes, yes, you must be right . . . . Nobel Prize winning scientists, the National Academy of Science, the overwhelming vast majority of the world's climate scientists who don't agree with you must be the "murderers, tyrants, and madmen", not the ones threatening others with their guns . . . . . .

Pathetic . . . .
John Paul Jones
5:54PM MAY 20TH 2014
Grow up Frank. Your itchy copy-n-paste trigger finger doesn't count as science. Believers will believe and you are free to continue believing. Real scientists-- those who use actual science and require results before making assertions-- have utterly discredited EVERY model being used by the purely political UN IPCC. United Nations Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change. Key word: GOVERNMENT (dependent on government funding). What a wonderful coincidence that the political and executive summaries for the most recent "scientific" reports bear little resemblance to the "scientific" findings within the reports, but all recommend an emergent need to massively grow governments' power to regulate and redistribute. I have an engineering degree too (assuming you really do) and know how to tell the difference between science and politics. The American people are beginning to see the difference as well. That is why some of your fellow believers are going crazy and using the term "denier" and suggesting criminal penalties for those who don't believe. Climate has been changing as long as the world has been in existence. It will keep changing regardless of how many government regulations we implement, so we might as well grow our economies and provide as much affordable energy to the world as we can.
Frank
10:35PM MAY 20TH 2014
Deny, deny, deny . . . . name one major scientific group that agrees with you . . . . . . what, you can't . . . . . of course you can't . . . . there aren't any and you know it . . . . you just believe virtually all the world's scientists are lying (except the few lonely voices that you agree with) . . . and now all their scientific organizations are lying as well . . . . go back to your Conspiracies-Are-Us cave . . . . you have nothing to add . . . . . . or spend 10 years, get some actual scientific credentials and go do your own research to prove us wrong . . . . . . I began in stochastic modeling some 40+ years ago . . . . and today, some of the best scientific modelers in the world I know (including some with Ph.Ds in engineering) disagree with you . . . . . . I really pity you . . . . as you become more and more frustrated and marginalized in your "beliefs" (because it isn't science) . . . . . . . .

Pathetic . . . .
Fran k
8:29AM MAY 20TH 2014
There is little doubt that the earth is heating up. However, this is NOT due to man made actions. To politicize this fact and try to control the people with these stupid EPA and energy controls is really....

PATHETIC!!!
Frank
12:30PM MAY 20TH 2014
Yes, yes . . . . all your Ph.D. degrees in relevant scientific fields dictate that you know better than virtually all scientists in the field (and I DO have three different relevant degrees in the hard sciences) . . . . yes, "stupid" . . . that word describes you well when all the major scientific organizations say otherwise . . . but then you can't even create your own commenting style or name on SSN, much less do any science of your own . . . . yes, yes, your belief that "this is NOT due to man made actions" despite the following statements . . . . . when "no scientific body of national or international standing (has) rejected the findings of human-induced effects on climate change" is clearly more know-nothing politics of the "Big Lie":

2003-2013 - American Geophysical Union. "Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes."

2004 - American Chemical Society. "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem."

2005 - U.S. National Academy of Sciences. "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."

2006 - American Association for the Advancement of Science. "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society."

2007 - American Physical Society. "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."

2010 - The Geological Society of America. "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s."

2012 - American Meteorological Society. "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." . . .

Your pitiful attempts of blatant denial of science (and Rubio's) are just so . . . .

Pathetic . . . . .
William
7:38PM MAY 20TH 2014
blah blah, blah blah blah. "Climate Change" = "The New Religion" you MUST believe. are you a "denier"? You WILL believe, or we'll burn you at the stake! Yeah. OK. Fine.
Frank
10:53PM MAY 20TH 2014
Where's your science . . . . . as you've so clearly stated before . . . you don't care what any scientific organization such as AMS has to say . . . you deny it all . . . you know better than anyone with an actual Ph.D. . . . . pitiful . . . and . . .

Pathetic . . . .
William
8:23PM MAY 21ST 2014
I used to accord deference to people with "an actual Ph.D", until I learned that just having one, doesn't make you right all the time.
Frank
5:53PM MAY 24TH 2014
Too bad you're just outright denying the experience and peer-reviewed publications of thousands of Ph.Ds worldwide who DO know a lot more about this subject than you do . . . . having clearly carried out no research of your own on climate change, you just FEEL you're right, and therefore, everyone else must be wrong . . . . actual science is to be ignored . . . whether on climate change, on evolution, on tobacco smoking, on the operation of women's bodies, whatever . . . .

Pathetic . . . .

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