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Tea Parties Boil Over in Orlando

Three Tea Party groups fight over brand names, ideological purity and, of course, money
By: Kenric Ward | Posted: December 7, 2010 4:05 AM
Fred O'Neal-Tom Tillison-Phil Russo - Tea Party Orlando StoryPhil Russo, Tom Tillison and Fred O'Neal
The tea party wave that swept the nation this fall continues to roil the political waters in Florida. Now the tide is turning on itself, threatening to drown out the movement's message and potentially sink its future.

Orlando has become the center of fierce infighting as three tea groups joust with each other for voter attention and donor cash.

The Florida TEA Party, the Central Florida Tea Party Council and the Tea Party Foundation each tout the "tea" brand, but their ongoing and occasionally litigious feuds point to disparate new directions for the movement.

The TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party fielded 20-plus candidates for state offices in November. While none came close to winning, the party founded by Orlando attorney Fred O'Neal earned the undying enmity of other tea groups, which alleged that it misappropriated the "tea" name.

A series of claims and counterclaims followed, and the matter remains a bone of contention for tea partiers who believe that a freestanding political party subverts the movement's goals. They dismissively label O'Neal's party "fake tea."

TEA's critics allege that O'Neal and party consultant Doug Guetzloe have financial-political links to Democrats, notably U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Orlando. O'Neal, Guetzloe and Grayson all deny the claim, and TEA candidate Peg Dunmire (now chairman) had no discernible impact on the 8th Congressional District race won handily by Republican Daniel Webster.

In the wake of the fall elections, tea's heated intramural squabble remains at a high boil. The hard feelings owe to a combustible mix of personalities, politics and, of course, money.


LIBERTARIAN OR A REPUBLICAN PARTY FRONT?


The most recent arrival to the Orlando scene is the Tea Party Foundation. In short order, the foundation attracted large donations, including $25,000 from a group called Liberty 4 Florida.

Foundation organizer Phil Russo, who describes himself as a founding member of the Orlando Tea Party, uses his weekly AM radio show to talk politics and raise funds.

That's what Guetzloe, a former Orange County Republican Party activist, has done for years. But the resemblance ends there.

Russo's libertarian streak clashes with tea party orthodoxy. Depending on one's perspective, his stated agenda significantly broadens the movement or merely splinters it.

Russo favors legalized marijuana as well as gay marriage and gay adoption. He also wants Florida  to opt out of the federal Real ID program, claiming it undermines states' rights and individual freedom.

Currently, Russo and the foundation are seeking a sponsor for the Firearms Freedom Act. The bill, which passed the House but failed in the state Senate last year, declares “that specified firearms, firearm accessories and ammunition for personal use manufactured in state are not subject to federal law or regulation” in Florida.

Rep. Ritch Workman, R-Melbourne, told Sunshine State News he would sponsor the bill in 2011 if no one else steps up. Rep. Sandy Adams, elected to Congress this year, carried the measure last session.

While Russo says he regularly reaches out to Central Florida lawmakers such as House Speaker Dean Cannon and Reps. Scott Plakon, Steve Precourt and Eric Eisnaugle, he maintains that he is no mainstream Republican.

"We're trying to give them a spine," he says of state Republicans' leadership.

Russo said he voted for Libertarian candidate Alex Snitker, not Republican Marco Rubio, in the U.S. Senate race.

Russo says he doesn't know who's donating to the foundation, and is not beholden to anyone. He also said he did not know who runs Liberty 4 Florida.

Comments (34)

GLAVSTROJ
7:39AM OCT 11TH 2011
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Бережливость при строительстве формируется из нескольких частей: верный отбор которые были использованы и передовых технологий, верная организация поставок строительных материалов и отбор артистов. Ежели все данные факторы продуманы заблаговременно, то возникает вероятность никак не лишь поэкономить средства, однако и нарастить свойство дел, а еще понизить сроки возведения. На нежели ведь разрешено и на нежели невозможно беречь при строительстве?

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2. Отличие отдаётся которые были использованы универсального назначения, и в том числе и ежели они станут наиболее передовыми и дорогими, наверное выдаст экономию. Продолжим образчик: плиты из каменной ваты употребляются в качестве термоизоляции, но они сразу играют роль звукоизоляционного, а еще противопожарного барьера.
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Конструирование объекта и отбор которые были использованы
Звукопоглощающие характеристики плит из каменной ваты очень высоки. Они рекомендованы для применения в системах нетяжелых каркасных загородок, звукопоглощающих облицовок, чердачных и межэтажных перекрытий и т.д., так как база каменной ваты – волокна, получаемые из расплава горных пород базальтовой категории, готовы терпеть температуру по 1000°C.
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Термоизоляция из каменной ваты дозволяет длительное время удерживать распределение пламени. Меж тем почти все остальные утеплители сами имеют необходимость в противопожарной охране! А означает, настоятельно просят доп издержек на ее приспособление, к тому ведь доп круги, в собственную очередность, настоятельно просят и роста издержек на несущие системы.



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1. Терем обязан задумываться с учётом передовых притязаний. При данном отбор который был использован для всякой системы необходимо исполнять с учётом только ансамбля ее функций и обязаны существовать минимизированы издержки на систему в целом.
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В частности, сейчас принципиальна энергоэффективность строения, его дееспособность беречь энергию. Однако для соотношения общепризнанным меркам сообразно термоизоляции для средней полосы Рф кирпичная стенка обязана обладать толщину возле 2-ух метров! Меж тем при применении прогрессивной термоизоляции для стенок в Центральном ареале необходимым имеет возможность существовать слой шириной в 150 мм, а для Сибири – 180 мм. Вообщем, наверное считается только наименьшим притязанием, установленным строй нормативами. При большей ведь толщине термоизоляции разрешено достигнуть значимого уменьшения затрат на нагревание.
Базы экономии средств и медли закладываются на стадии проектирования. Главен высококачественный план, подключающий отбор передовых которые были использованы, при данном дозволяющих использовать экономичные сообразно трудозатратам технологии монтажа. Взгляды последующие:
VseStroj
7:36AM OCT 11TH 2011
При температуре 260 С проистекает долгое и стойкое горение летучих препаратов
Формирование пожара в помещениях проистекает в итоге постепенного распространения пламени сообразно системам, которые были использованы отделки и оборудованию, окружающим в помещении. Характеризующую роль в данном процессе играют зажигательность которые были использованы и распределение огне сообразно плоскости.
При эксплуатации древесного здания может быть зажигание древесины как от раскрытого пламени (огне либо искры), этак и вероятного самовоспламенения от нечаянного теплового родника.
При наличии раскрытого пламени и температуре нагрева древесины наиболее 200°С имеют пространство термическое деление и зажигание ее при 240–290°С.
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330 С - температура воспламенения древесины
Самовозгорание древесины наблюдалось при нагреве древесины по температуры 166°С чрез 20 час.
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450 С -стойкое огненное горение древесины, переходящее в процесс обугливания с температурой плоскости по 900 С

Поражение древесных систем при пожаре начинается от 2-ух причин: выгорания(переугливания) древесины и убавления площади поперечного сечения вещества, вследствие что снижаются прочностные свойства внутренних слоев древесины при нагреве приводящие к обрушению системы. Тугоплавкость внешних древесных систем находится в зависимости от величины приложенной перегрузки и объемов поперечного сечения.
Пожар дает собой процесс неконтролируемого горения, предопределенный хим экзотермической реакцией окисления препарата, сопровождаемый, сообразно последней мерке, одним из 3-х причин: огнем, свечением, выделением дыма. Для происхождения пожара нужно присутствие 3-х сочиняющих: горючего препарата, воздуха и родника зажигания.
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При температуре выше 210 С и наличии раскрытого пламени проистекает зажигание летучих препаратов
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При температуре выше 125 С улетучивается влага, древесина разлагается с выделением летучих (горючих) препаратов.
Потому при эксплуатации древесных систем обязаны существовать обеспечены пожаробезопасные условия изоляции при нагревании, чтоб продолжительно работающая температура никак не превосходила 50°С.

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Moses
1:21AM DEC 9TH 2010
what happened to Everett Wilkinson and his lies about the Florida Tea Party? Oh I know, the Republicans stopped the money train when he blew it big yelling at Rick Scott and then Florida picked him to lead us. What a laugh!
Irked in Orlando
12:58AM DEC 9TH 2010
I'm just curious as to why this article didn't come out before the elections. Everyone wanted to keep quiet the smaller tea parties association with the Republicans and blast The real TEA Party for being funded by Dems. Truly frustrating to go through the election cycle only hearing negatives about a party you know is doing something positive for politics finally and nothing you can do but read negative reports about it's consultant and it's candidates. I still voted Tea and I will again in a heartbeat.
sunnyFloridagirl
12:49AM DEC 9TH 2010
one guy blames another guy for "Jesusifying" the movement. Who do you think conservatives are? If you are a true Christian you have conservative values. Even if you asked christian democrats they would probably come up conservative they just don't realize it. that's why I'm sick of the Republicans and moved to TEA because they want to say one thing and then vote or pass laws doing something else. Next time you vote look into The Florida Tea Party. The only ones brave enough to stick their necks out and do something different.
Robert Simmons
1:20PM APR 11TH 2011
I believe it to be true about most Christians being conservatives but unfortunately thirty millon christians whom were registered to vote did not do so in 2008 if they had we would not be in the tough fight we are now.However a Christian organization called out of the pews and into the polls has sprang up in Concord,NC which meets once a week on tuesday at 7pm and it's only purpose is to find ways to encourage more christians to vote. It's rules are very simple , no money involved or asked for and any one starting a group up in other areas must work as a servant leader( leave your ego at home ). This is an non partisian movement designed by it's founder Bob Huck a semi retired engineer from Alaska and is presently being promoted by only a handful of us, Urging your fellow Americans to vote will not jeopardize a churches 5013c status as long as their is no campaigning for a particular party or candidate involved. Those whom would be interested in starting up this group should email me at this address (doinggooddeeds@hotmail.com)
Mustang Sally
12:43AM DEC 9TH 2010
I'll say it again The Florida Tea Party gave me a reason to feel good about my vote and I'll keep supporting them and so will my friends and family.
Janie
12:37AM DEC 9TH 2010
Are we still talking about Alan Grayson?? So last election....
Capt. America
12:27AM DEC 9TH 2010
Doug Guetzloe, and Fred O'Neal have been working against the forces of big government tyranny for years before the tea party "movement" even came along. All-of-a-sudden Russo, Hoyt, and Tillison name themselves as "tea party leaders" and anyone not on their band-wagon, is a fake. Now we know they were being paid by republicans, gee, does anyone think they might have had a conflict of interest?
Barbara
12:25AM DEC 9TH 2010
So Russo is a Republican backed, Libertarian, running a "tea" organization? Sounds like he's in it for the money to me.
FreeMan
12:33PM DEC 8TH 2010
We all knew those jokers were fronts for the republicans. That is exactly why we needed to form another party, to avoid this kind of infiltration of the movement.
Shirley
12:11PM DEC 8TH 2010
Why is anyone caring about the hacks out there like Hoyt, and Tillison? The real patriots have made themselves known. Peg and the Tea Party are going to be the driving conservative force in Florida for some time to come. Until such a time as the republican party returns to her roots, or they are replaced by the Tea Party as the dominant conservative party.
Mike
11:39AM DEC 8TH 2010
The Tea Party has to stand alone or it will be corrupted from with-in, case in point, Jason Hoyt, and Tom Tillison were on the republicans payroll during the election. And all-of-a-sudden the official stance of the tea party "leaders" in central Fla. was that we need to stay in the republican party and reform it from with-in. Convenient. At-least Doug Guetzloe, Fred O'Neal, and Peg Dunmire have the stones to stand up to the "powers-that-be" and make a difference. Hell, Doug and Fred have been fighting high taxes, and big government for YEARS before the tea party "movement" became cool.
Dave
11:11AM DEC 8TH 2010
I'm glad to see someone trying to get America to wake-up. The 2 party system will be the end of the Republic. Screw the pretender tea parties, Hoyt, Tillison, and Russo are all in bed with the RPOF and don't represent the citizens of Central Florida.
John Casey
10:59AM DEC 8TH 2010
If I could borrow a phrase from the left, "if you don't like the Florida Tea Party, don't vote for them" But why are people spending so much time and effort to bad mouth them? Get over it! They are not going anywhere.
Kevin
10:56AM DEC 8TH 2010
Jim Greer, Charlie Crist, Ray Samson, Jim Norman, Kevin Ambler, and a host of others with crimes to long to detail have not yet tarnished the Republican Party?

If the Republican Party was who they say they are, there would be no need for a TEA party. Uninformed "conservatives" lap it up an wonder why we have gone to hell in a handbasket.

How many Republicans office holders are standing up for the 4th amendment? They are too busy installing red light cameras, and plotting ways to raise your taxes.
Mr.Tea
8:58AM DEC 8TH 2010
Who are you people to say that someone is a "real" movement person or not? Going back even before the "tea party" got started, Guetzloe had been promoting anti-tax demonstrations, and protests. All you have to do is listen to some of the re-runs of his radio shows, and you find he has been consistently, for years, embodying the principles of the tea party movement before there was a movement. Nobody wants to talk about that, because they know they can't deny Doug's record of fight for lower taxes, less government, and more liberty for Central Fla. Peg Dunmire has also marched on Washington, and been to all the tea parties at lake Eola. But because Jason Hoyt, and Tom Tillison didn't take roll and hear Peg say "present!" that means she is not part of the "movement". What a load of crap! These people just don't want to admit they are wrong. The Florida Tea Party is here to stay, so get used to it.
Miss Anne Liberty
8:40PM DEC 7TH 2010
If the tea party movement could simply stick to the core values of limited government, fiscal responsiblity, and free market principles, I'm sure the movement would be alive and well. I think that most people who call themselves tea partiers would agree that the TEA political party did not represent them this past election year. I truly wish that the personal attacks and grudges could be set aside to deal with the problems that our country still has staring it in the face. There is nothing wrong with wanting Christian values to be relevant, but I just don't want people to feel excluded from the movement if they themself are not a Christian. We should use evangalism, not government, to share these Christian values. There may have been some things that smelled fishy to some, but this article doesn't tell the whole story (of anyone's story), nor does any news story really. I truly appreciate anyone using the tea party name that is trying to affect public policy in ways that coincide with the movements core principles. Let's keep it to fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited governments. We must be consistant with the limited government part though. Just because it's a Republican expanding government doesn't mean it's okay. Let's just try to remember who the enemy in this fight is. Anyone with the same goal is not our enemy. We must stand together to beat the progressive leftist movement. If we could let the things lie that we differ on, we can still be effective. Fiscal responsibility should still be our number one objective if you consider yourself a tea partier. If we could just stop with all the personal attacks. I know we are above that.
Again though, I am not including the TEA political party in any of this because to me, they don't count for anything. The just saw an opportunity to use a powerful movement's name to attempt to hand the election to the democrats. We all saw how that worked out for them, didn't we? I don't expect them to want the same things that the rest of us want, or to act like respectful adults. I pray that the rest of us can though. We still have the left to fight guys (and the RINOs)!
Sarah Smithson
7:02PM DEC 7TH 2010
An interesting read for sure.
I'm curious what any of these folks that have traded the tea party name in for profit have actually done in the political arena?
I'm not talking about Guetzloe, O'Neal or Dunmire. Guetzloe and O'Neal has legendary status as tax fighters for three decades. Dunmire was a trooper for the tea party movement since it's beginning.
I'm talking about Russo, Tillison, Hoyt and this Riker guy. What exactly have they ever done?
What battles have they lead? What successful campaigns have they run? What taxes have they defeated? What difference have they made?
Who cares if a couple of guys have gone to some tea parties and benefiting financially from those events. Russo paid himself over $12,000 from his own political committee. Tillison and Hoyt have dipped into their own tea party accounts and paid themselves.
It may be legal, but it sure as hell is unethical.
These guys have not produced anything but a revenue stream.
The Tea Party, on the other hand, it's leaders have actually won battles, defeated taxes, elected scores of candidates and led the fight.
As far as Grayson money, no one has ever established that as fact and I'd like to see it. Prove it or STFU!
Miss Anne Liberty
8:57PM DEC 7TH 2010
Exactly what battles were won and who were these candidates elected? Ms. Dunmire seemed to do great in her race (I guess I can't show sarcasm through text, sorry. Nothing against Ms. Dunmire either, she's just the only name anyone would remember of the TEA candidates). Find me one person who attends tea party rallies, makes phone calls and writes emails to their representatives, and tries to spread the message of free markets, fiscal responsibility, and limited government who voted for any of these TEA political party candidates. I would be shocked if there is one out there, and if there is I feel sorry for them because they had been had. We had plenty of real candidates in the Republican party to vote for. If you wanted to go outside the two party system because you didn't feel like any of the Republicans or Democrats represnted your views, there were also Libertarians, Constitution Party, and independents to vote for. If we stick to limited goverent, free markets, and fiscal responsibility, I think we can continue to influence elections and policy. We can and must learn to set personal differences aside. Please, let sleeping dogs lie. All this bickering truly saddens me. We have so much more evil to fight than each other.
Rebecca
1:14AM DEC 9TH 2010
I am one person who attends tea party rallies, makes phone calls, and writes e-mails to their representatives, etc. etc. and I voted for and campaigned and supported all The Florida Tea Party candidates. Prepared to be shocked, I have not been had. Webster was pulled out of retirement by the establishment because of his name. He voted for higher taxes, toll increases and more in his 28 year previous stint. Oh and I also have a Bachelor's degree, hold a job and never been on welfare or even unemployment. Try not to pass out.
Khtiny
7:37PM DEC 7TH 2010
Sarah, you are either Doug Guetzloe writing under another name or you belong in the crazy house. Hoyt and Russo are two of the founders of the nationwide movement. They were involved from the very first conference calls. They also had the first tea party in Orlando. I don't recall ever seeing Peg Dunmire at any of our organizational meetings or planning meetings. And Guetzloe is nothing more than an extortionist. He was against the arena project until he was paid $200,000 to "consult" on the project. Then he was all for it. Hoyt and Russo also faught to get SB10 passed through the House when it was considered dead and they also fought (and defeated) the Galvano amendment that almost killed the healthcare freedom act. Mr. Guetzloe it's far too easy to tell when you are writing under a different name because you use the same talking points under 10 different names. By the way, how did the elections go for the TEA party go? They couldn even take enough votes for the Republicans to let the Democrats win. Did you still get your Grayson money? Oh, and how is that conviction for election fraud treating you? Say what you want about Hoyt and Russo, at least they aren't convicted felons. Nor are they fat and extremely ugly. I think they are both pretty cute.
Roy
12:27AM DEC 8TH 2010
Khtiny: Obviously you're either a fool or a liar or both. Guezloe has led axe the tax for over 30 years and helped defeat nearly $50 billion in proposed taxes. Hoyt and Russo have done nothing other than put money in their own pockets. Guetzloe led the fight against the new arena, not for it. Check it out on youtube and in the media. The Magic could never come up with anything backing up their bs.

The tea party and Dunmire did exceptionally well and they're still around. Watch Hoyt and Tillison try to schedule a tea party and count the participants. There last one had about 6 people at it. Big turnout. The Republicans think they are getting value to paying off the three stooges - Hoyt, TIllison and Russo. They have already realized their mistake and the money is gone.

Also, Guetzloe will win his battle for our free speech and he's not a felon. A misdemeanor that's under appeal is nothing but a pain. Doug fights for all of us and you yokels have never done a thing to win any battle, just claim credit for things you haven't done. Sullivan, Riker and the other losers all got beat and they're old news. Anyone that finds the divorced, broke, bankrupt Hoyt cute or Russo anything but a bum is nuts.
Richarfd Riker
7:34PM DEC 7TH 2010
Oh cute, potty mouth. Dunmire never had anything to do with the tea party movement, in fact she said she didn't know what to do, at least that's what she said in her Icaucus interview, which showed just how deficient she was as a candidate, that's why she didn't get their endorsement. But, that was then, she may be putting a different spin on it now.
Jim Shaw
6:23PM DEC 7TH 2010
I have listened to Russo's radio show a couple of times and the idea that he is a shill for the GOP is laughable. Especially comming from Tillison. Hoyt is the biggest shill for the GOP that ever lived and Tillison is Hoyt's little puppy and shills for whomever Hoyt shills. They are both members of OCREC and support republicans at all costs. I don't agree with Russo on the pot stuff or gay marriage but he is no GOP shill. He's just another crazy libertarian who, like other libertarians is unrealistic. And Tillison likes to talk about morals and God, I hear he cheats on his wife. Very moral of you Tillison.
Truth
2:57PM DEC 11TH 2010
USMC 1998
2:40PM DEC 7TH 2010
Russo's radio show had a muslim co-host for 4 months after hoyt stopped working on the show. Tillison and hoyt and shills for the neo-con isreal first crowd. NO blue blood republican would allow a conservative leaning MUSLIM to sit shot gun on his radio show. Libertarian TEA is the original. GOP tea is fake snake oil.
Tom Tillison
12:23PM DEC 7TH 2010
If, by supporting the principles and values upon which this nation was founded, I am trying to "Jesus-ify" the movement, then I'm guilty as charged.

As for the information that is public record and readily available to anyone who cares to look for it being cast in this article as if opinion...well, it smacks of a reporter trying to gin up a little controversy.

Which may be appealing to those who stand in need of benefitting from it, but, for the rest of us, there are far more important issues at play in these critical times.

Keep in mind, for a "fight" to occur, as implied in this article, there must be two combatants...which would only be applicable here if you pitted truth against personal motive.

Regarding critical times, the tea party movement has set afoot a national debate on the role of government in our society, a debate that has occurred precious few times in our nation's history. These are defining times in America, my friends. The future course that our children and grandchildren will travel is being decided as we speak. Is government's role in America to provide for the masses, or, will the principles of self reliance, personal responsibility and individual freedom prevail? The very principles that made America the greatest nation in the history of man.

BTW, regarding the non existent Central Florida Tea Party Council, we also have a non existent web site - http://www.centralfloridateapartycouncil.com
Richarfd Riker
9:51AM DEC 7TH 2010
The TEA Party stand alone because they don't have the same values as the real tea party movement. Oh sure, they pay lip service to tea party values but when it comes to the bottom line the fake TEA Party falls far short of actually carrying out those values, ie. they accepted payments from Democrat Alan Grayson, they fielded candidates in the last election who were not eligible (don't forget Peg Dunmires son, they fielded him as a candidate and he as a pilot lived outside the country a good deal of the time each year). Now, your beginning to hear Guetzloe and his cronies O'Neil squealing that they own the name tea party. Why? Simple they want the money going to the real tea parties. That's what they're out for, their out for the own aggrandisement. What can you expect from an organization that was founded by stealing it's name and which was founded by a convicted criminal and a tax cheat. I suspect that the groupies that follow this fake party are like Peg Dunmire, they couldn't make it in a real political party.
Mandy
1:07AM DEC 9TH 2010
Wow way to mudsling guy. But seriously are you still with the Alan Grayson thing? Can't we just let him retire into the unknown? Please let it go and get some anger counseling.
Richarfd Riker
12:56PM DEC 10TH 2010
Al Grayson isn't retiring he was "FIRED" because of his anti-American philosophy.
Sam Hoffman
7:48AM DEC 7TH 2010
The TEA party is apples and oranges to the others. Tillison, Hoyt and Russo have no following, only titles on an email. The Central Florida Tea Party Council does not exist.
The TEA party had 21 candidates who received over 306,000 votes. Compare that with Snitker, Russo's candidate, the official Libertarian candidate for the US Senate who got 24,000 votes statewide. The TEA party statewide candidate, Ira Chester, got 200,000 votes and didn't campaign.
The TEA party was certainly relevant when it endorsed Rick Scott when all the other tea party groups were backing McCollum. O'Neal, Guetlzoe and Dunmire pulled Scott's chestnut's out of the roasting fire when Hoyt ally Everett Wilkinson was shouting and screaming at Rick Scott.
The battle is over and a winner has been declared.
BM
7:21AM DEC 7TH 2010
This little feud in the land of make believe does not reflect the entire Tea Party Movement in the state of Florida. Russo is so disconnected to the rest of the groups in the state that no one knows who he is or cares for that matter.

The TEA Party political party is not a fake political party. They have the legal right to do what they do. They are however, not Tea Party Movement people that I have been able to determine so one can say they are fake when it comes to the movement and the movement only. They will continue to be a thorn in the side of good people in this state.

The name coalition used by Hoyt and Tillison certainly makes it appear that they have tried to join groups together and if that is the case then it is a good thing.
Hearditallbefore...hhh
11:55PM DEC 18TH 2010
Look into who funds this website and then you take anything it writes seriously. I'm for the Tea Party and the right of Americans to have a real voice. To me, the Tea Party started as grassroots and built up.