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Tea Parties Split Over E-Verify, Diluting Prospects for Passage

By: Kenric Ward | Posted: January 10, 2012 3:55 AM
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U.S. Rep. Gayle Harrell and U.S. Sen. Thad Altman

Dozens of tea parties, including the state's largest, say they will support an E-Verify immigration bill at the 2012 Legislature.

But with some libertarian-leaning conservatives balking at the issue, the path to passage looks more precarious than ever.

"Most in the tea party are concerned about anything that is illegal and does not uphold the rule of law. E-Verify is one way to uphold our legal immigration laws and we support it," said Billie Tucker, who chairs the First Coast Tea Party in Jacksonville.

Tucker's comment came in the wake of a Sunshine State News story reporting that The Tea Party Network was merely "watching" the employment-screening legislation.

Paul Henry, who sits on the steering committee of the 80-member network, said, "I'm against E-Verify because it is yet another federal database. E-Verify, along with so many more laws here in Florida, involves being guilty until you prove yourself innocent."

Other tea partiers say Henry, a retired law-enforcement officer, is outside the mainstream of the tea movement.

"Most in the tea party movement are very concerned about illegal immigration. The Tea Party Network does not speak for us," said Tucker, whose First Coast Tea Party, with a membership list of some 10,000, belongs to another large tea coalition called the Florida Alliance.

Even fellow members of TTPN vehemently disagree with Henry.

"I am confident that Mr. Henry does not speak for the majority of the group," said Jack Oliver, legislative director for Floridians for Immigration Enforcement, a TTPN member.

Judith Hood, a member of Tea Party Manatee, said her Bradenton-based group remains solidly behind E-Verify legislation, as it was at the 2011 session.

The latest E-Verify measures -- House Bill 1315 and Senate Bill 1638 -- were introduced Friday by Rep. Gayle Harrell, R-Port St. Lucie, and Sen. Thad Altman, R-Melbourne. Their bills are similar to a measure sponsored by Rep. Will Snyder, R-Stuart, last year.

Reps. Matt Gaetz, R-Shalimar, and Larry Metz, R-Eustis, signed on as co-sponsors of this year's legislation.

While several Southeastern states have mandated private employers screen new hires through the free federal database, Florida's E-Verify push, along with every other immigration-control bill, has failed at the Legislature in Tallahassee.

Such recalcitrance has left some tea partiers increasingly frustrated with Republican leadership which controls both houses of the Legislature. Though talking tough about illegal immigration on the campaign trail, GOP lawmakers have yet to deliver any bills tackling the issue.

"The state will continue to allow [Sen.] J.D. Alexander to stymie immigration reform because it benefits his farm," said Fort Walton Beach Tea Party chairman Henry Kelley and TTPN member, who declared, "E-Verify is already dead on arrival."

Alexander, a Lake Wales Republican who chairs the Budget Committee, was not available for comment.

Oliver said, "E-Verify is about protecting the jobs of legal workers, so there are really only two sides to this issue. Elected officials support the hiring of illegal aliens or the hiring of fellow citizens.

"At the end of the day, if elected officials are unwilling to protect our jobs, then maybe it's time that those elected officials lost their jobs."

Tea party groups face an uphill fight against an eclectic combination of business and religious groups. Last year, the Florida Chamber of Commerce and Associated Industries of Florida were joined by a phalanx of pastors preaching "social justice" in assailing E-Verify.

This year, GOP leaders say their top priorities will be the budget and redistricting, and have expressed little interest in other issues. Opposition to E-Verify appears to be both bipartisan and formidable.
 
Nearly two-dozen lawmakers are members of "We Are Florida," a group spawned by the Florida Immigrant Coalition that vows to "raise our voices against proposed racial profiling laws ... and empower immigrant communities."

The group's GOP members include: House Majority Leader Carlos Cantera-Lopez; Sens. Anitere Flores, Erik Fresen, Rene Garcia, Miguel Diaz de la Portilla and Reps. Luis R. Garcia Jr., Jeanette Nunez, Frank Artiles, Ana Rivas Logan, and Carlos Trujillo.

Democrats include: Sens. Oscar Braynon, Larcenia Bullard, Nan Rich and Gwen Margolis, and Reps. Richard Steinberg, Cynthia Stafford, Barbara Watson, Daphne Campbell, Dwight Bullard and John Patrick Julien.

Despite opponents' unsubstantiated warnings of racial profiling and Henry's claim that E-Verify is "unconstitutional," federal courts have upheld the program in states where it has been enacted.

In Alabama, which implemented E-Verify as part of its new illegal alien law, unemployment has fallen, school enrollment has tapered off, and the costs associated with providing government services to illegals have declined.

In 2010, the Foundation for American Immigration Reform calculated that Florida expends $5.5 billion annually on its estimated 1 million illegal residents, including $3.3 billion for education, $531 million for Medicaid and $317 million for various welfare programs.

Patricia Sullivan, chairwoman of the Tea Party Network, which is hosting a Capitol reception for lawmakers Tuesday morning, said her group is "very interested in" a Medicaid reform bill that could curb benefits currently going to illegal immigrants.

The measure by Senate President-designate Don Gaetz, R-Niceville, has not yet been filed.

"We're watching Gaetz's bill and it looks like he may address Medicaid reform and, through a back door, address illegal immigrants through benefits. That is what we have been hoping for. Even a baby step in reform is a step in the right direction," Sullivan said.

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Contact Kenric Ward at kward@sunshinestatenews.com or at (772) 801-5341.



Comments (15)

Groscoe
4:25PM JAN 13TH 2012
As in all groups attention is given to the dissenters regardless of facts. In word contests things are said without substantiation and accepted as fact.

The people who oppose e-verify for privacy reasons really have not a clue of what they are talking about.....the same basic info is given as is currently on the I-* form

And Mr. Henry.....if you are reading this........You are not giving information that is not already on file........the e-verify system simply verifies your submission......DUH.
Paul Henry
2:17PM JAN 13TH 2012
Tom DeWeese wrote a great piece about E-Verify circa 2009 entitled "E-Verify and the Emerging Surveillance State". It can be found online.

Unlike border security, it is not the constitutional role of the federal government to approve any non-federal employment. Of course, if one has confidence that the same outfit that operates the Postal Service/IRS/Social Security etc. will be able to do so sufficiently error-free and on a limited budget, perhaps E-Verify will indeed solve our illegal immigration problem.

Guess who really likes E-Verify? The Obama administration, who wanted to extend it three years instead of just two. This was reported in a June 9, 2009 Federal Computer Week publication. The DHS was reported to have a $42 billion budget, a 6.5 percent increase. The budget includes E-Verify. They do not say what the E-Verify portion was.

How many have read the bills relating to E-Verify to gauge the unintended consequences or even know how it actually works? The National Conference of State Legislatures has an E-Verify information page. Support it or oppose it, it's informative reading. Their definition of how it works is worth reading.

The same page links a 2010 GAO report that shows E-Verify now has a 97 percent accuracy rate, but is still vulnerable to ID Theft and employer fraud. For many of the same reasons, programs like E-Verify and REAL ID sound great on paper (and cost a lot of tax dollars), but when the rubber meets the road, they don't accomplish what they set out to do. REAL ID here in Florida has cost use $10 million, and has yet to catch one terrorist or illegal alien. It can be beaten, just ask the fellow wanted for murder that did so in the Tampa area. Ask any divorced woman how easy it was to renew her license due to the name-change document requirements. It's likely she will eventually run into the same problems once E-Verify is mandated. Have a middle initial on your SS card but a name on your license or in E-Verify? Plan on spending time and money to fix "your" problem.

The bottom line is E-Verify is not just a database, it will keep you from getting a job if there is even a minor error. You, not the government, must prove you are eligible to work even though no cause exists for them to do so.

This is in stark contrast to doing so to get a government benefit- something I support and over a 2/3 majority of the Tea Party Network people also supported. Sen. Gaetz has a bill this session (still being reviewed) to do so for Medicaid recipients. People wanting to work are not asking for tax dollars (other than outfits like Solyndra). People receiving government benefits are doing so. That is where the focus (limited government) for fiscal responsibility should be. Government should not impede the free market- small and large business- with unconstitutional rules and regulations. Coincidentally, the mission of many Tea Party groups includes that of limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets. E-Verify is inconsistent with these principles.
Groscoe
4:29PM JAN 13TH 2012
You are about 5 years behind time on discussion points......the COC and ACLU use to use the failure rate, the citizens not being to be hired.....

Prove it.......I would go on but I have constructive things to accomplish today....
Bob Jason
6:06AM JAN 12TH 2012
Gov. Scott needs to get behind E-Verify rather than let big developers and big agricultural interests control the legislature. I will work against any Florida legislator whether in the House or Senate who works against this bill, whether republican or democrat, or Florida will become a sanctuary state for illegal workers. If Gov. Scott is serious about creating jobs for legal Floridians, he needs to use his bully pulpit on this issue.
Groscoe
4:36PM JAN 13TH 2012
It is imperative for Scott to be engaged.........
Jeff B. Willis
10:43PM JAN 10TH 2012
A lot of Libertarians have infiltrated the Republican Party through the Tea Party.
TomT
7:24PM JAN 10TH 2012
All this talk about E-Verify may entertain some, but a the end of the day that's about the only result that will come from it. The E-Verify bill may kick around in a few committees to give select members an opportunity to go 'on record' in support of the measure, however, with the big money donors AIF and the FL Chamber opposed to it and this being an election year, there is absolutely, positively NO WAY this will get passed in the Florida Legislature. And for those who may hope against hope anyway, allow me to dash that foolishness by reminding you that the very powerful Ag Comm Adam Putnam is in the opposing corner as well. Next issue!
Groscoe
4:30PM JAN 13TH 2012
WOW.......I guess we can all go home....
Bill
9:26AM JAN 11TH 2012
Then that speaks volumes about his character doesn't it?
William J Bloomer III
6:15PM JAN 10TH 2012
"Paul Henry, who sits on the steering committee of the 80-member network, said, 'I'm against E-Verify because it is yet another federal database. E-Verify, along with so many more laws here in Florida, involves being guilty until you prove yourself innocent.' " --- They already HAVE the data base - it's call Social Security. All E-Verify does is allow employers too compare the SSN they've been given with what is already on file. Get a Grip! If you're concerned about "the Rule Of Law", then let employers have the tool that will allow them to FOLLOW the law.
William J Bloomer III
6:17PM JAN 10TH 2012
OK - so I used "call" instead of "called", and "too" instead of "to". Read for content. :O)
Andrew Nappi
2:06PM JAN 10TH 2012
Not only is Everify part of the path to a national ID and national database, it is not for the State to require a federal check system to be used by businesses at their own expense. Why not mandate what banks businesses use? Or what vehicles they can purchase? It is indeed a slippery slope best not travelled upon.
In the meantime they are completely silent on NDAA and its hollowing out of our Bill of Rights protection to due process. More disturbing they lack the will to take Florida's D.C. delegation who voted for NDAA to task for this apostasy.
LIBERTY is either supported or it isn't. Time for these good people to decide if they are on the side of LIBERTY or a party agenda.
Groscoe
4:33PM JAN 13TH 2012
The reason for E_Verify is necessity brought about by the Feds not enforcing the law. The law is if you are an illegal alien you cannot legally work in the state.....since they are totally inept at getting the job done the states for self preservation have had to take on the responsibility
Jim B.
4:33PM JAN 10TH 2012
Andrew, evidently you have difficulty comprehending what you read. The database is already there, there is no cost to the employer unlike I9 which requires costly forms and equipment to verify legal status. Unfortunately with I9 if an employer makes a mistake filling out the forms he can be fined. With e-verify that is not the case. A simple screen capture to verify the employee was cleared is all that is needed.

For some reason you guys are all hung up on a system that has been in place for years in crime prevention and social security. Makes no sense not to use what we are already paying for.
murphythesurfy
1:15PM JAN 10TH 2012
Tea Party is always good for a giggle.

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