Politics

Tea Party Over? Florida Boils Down to Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney

By: Kenric Ward | Posted: December 6, 2011 3:55 AM
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Polls show Newt Gingrich taking a commanding lead among Florida Republicans, throwing a wrench into Mitt Romney's carefully constructed political machine.

Most recently, a Florida Times-Union survey had Gingrich trouncing Romney 41-17. More ominously for Romney, the late November poll showed Herman Cain with 13 percent -- a group of supporters highly unlikely to shift to the former Massachusetts governor now that Cain is out of the race.

But Cain did not deliver a widely rumored endorsement of Gingrich on Monday, and several tea party and conservative groups tell Sunshine State News that they will adamantly oppose the former House speaker.

At this point, Gingrich's strongest appeal appears to be that he is not Romney.

"The question is, will Newt create a large enough pool of voters to be able to beat Romney," says Roger Stone, a veteran GOP strategist.

"The polls show that is happening -- at least for now."

Stone is skeptical of the depth and breadth of Romney's support in the weeks leading up to Florida's Jan. 31 primary.

"What Romney has in Florida is a bunch of country-club Bush Republicans more interested in cocktail parties than primary day," Stone said.

Billie Tucker, chairwoman of the First Coast Tea Party, said the Republican Party needs someone "to kick Barack Obama's butt," and she believes Gingrich is that man.

"People want passion. We don't want milquetoast," she said.

Tucker said the young members of her Jacksonville-based tea party "fell in love with Gingrich before the older people did." She said they appreciate his owning up to previous personal and political mistakes -- of which critics have pointed to several. (See Sunshine State News story here.)

Before Cain's withdrawal, Tucker said, "The tea party was split. Some wanted a Newt-Cain ticket. Some wanted a Cain-Newt ticket."

The common ground was that they did not want Romney.

But despite Gingrich's gaudy poll numbers, the Georgian is still no lock with conservatives in Florida.

"Most of us this morning were asking, 'What is wrong with the Republicans in this country?' relates Diane Kepus, of the Deland 912 patriot group.

"I have the utmost respect for Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, who came out stating there was no way he would ever support Gingrich," Kepus said.

Coburn, who served in the House when Gingrich was speaker, has been quoted as calling Gingrich a poor leader. Other Republicans are said to be ready to amplify on that complaint.

Illustrating the sharp ideological splits Gingrich creates, two leading members of Tea Party Manatee have two different opinions on his candidacy.

Judi Hood said, "Newt Gingrich's campaign has reached out to some of our group, but many of us will never vote for him or Romney or Rick Perry.

"Only the uninformed and misguided would vote for Gingrich or Romney."

On the other hand, Janet Mixon offered that the Bradenton-based tea group conducted a straw poll a few weeks back and "Newt was at the top of the list."

Unlike Romney, Gingrich has virtually no organization in the state.

Kurt Kelly, a former state legislator who ran for Congress last year, is helping the Gingrich campaign, but he directed specific questions to a coordinator in Atlanta.

"His support is overwhelming. It won't take long to organize," said Kelly, who has been working to "lock down" primary voters around the state.

Gingrich's Atlanta-based coordinator told Sunshine State News that the campaign was not ready to announce its leadership team in Florida.

State Rep. Scott Plakon, R-Longwood, was an early Cain supporter and a co-chair of Cain's Florida campaign.

Borrowing a phrase from his erstwhile favorite, Plakon said he was "reassessing" his support going forward.


Comments (16)

Robert Lloyd
4:11PM DEC 7TH 2011
>>I don't see anything wrong with changing your stance on an issue<<

I agree. I would hope anyone would be willing to change his opinion if something factural is presented that would support it. It's called intelligence.
Jeff B. Willis
9:13AM DEC 7TH 2011
I think that this is bad news for those who want to make Barack Obama a one-term president! Gingrich would be easier to beat than Bachmann. And Bachmann is by no means electable. While Romney has issues, outside of a history of changing positions, he doesn't have the baggage that will ultimately be a death sentence for Newt Gingrich. Newt's a smart guy and an excellent debator. He could be a useful member of anyones cabinet. But as President, we have no idea what we would get! Romney is easier to fathom. He is very close to two other Massachusetts politicians: Paul Tsongas and William Weld. Both could be classified as "pro business liberals." True, this isn't what most conservatives have in mind regarding their future president. But it would definitely be an improvement to what we currently have in the White House. Romney can articulate the importance of private sector job creation. He can expertly position Obama as a "nice guy who is clueless" regarding the private sector and how to create jobs within it. Newt is colorful. He is a bit bawdy. He has some ideas worth examining. But he scares people. Sure, there needs to be a shake up in Washington. But it must be measured and disciplined. True, we don't want "Obama lite." There needs to be a major course change. Washington needs to be downsized. Romney would make marginal changes in a methodical, careful manner. Gingrich would...well we aren't certain what he would ultimately do! In actuality, Rick Perry would be more predictable than Gingrich. People may have given up on the Texas Governor. But his direction is simple to predict: He is the original "states rights" advocate. Much of Washington control would be transferred to the states.This too scares some people. But it is a viable option. Paul might throw a "monkey wrench" into everyones plans if he pulls an upset in Iowa. Don't look now, but it could happen! This would benefit Romney and even Perry. Perry and Romney have the money for a long campaign. Gingrich and Santorum do not. Bachmann might call it quits if she fails to finish higher than fourth in Iowa. Paul would have a difficult time winning the nomination. But he could pick off enough delegates to hopelessly fragment the conservative vote. With Bachmann and Santorum out of the primary, many of their supporters might reluctantly flock to Perry. This would further help Romney. Florida's primary is still eight weeks away. A lot could happen at that time. If a Paul pulls a win in Iowa, Romney wins New Hampshire as expected, and both Bachmann and Santorum call it quits, South Carolina might yet go to Perry. Then the lead that Newt has in Florida would vanish. For the sake of beating Obama, the Republicans should pray this scenario becomes a reality. While Romney isn't their ideal candidate, he could be trouble for Barack Obama in the general election. Especially with a conservative running mate. Perry is a weak debator. But he has other strengths, beginning with a strong appeal in "red states." He might not win New Hampshire or Pennsylvania. But he would be very strong in the states that George W. Bush won in 2004. Paul is the longest of longshots. But his Libertarian appeal crosses party lines. He might prove to be an extremely strong general election candidate. Any of the candidates would be a more electable opponent than Gingrich in the general election. When Republicans stand back and take a real look at Gingrich, they should draw this conclusion.
Chuck
5:50PM DEC 6TH 2011
Seems like the Republican Party has one humongous dilemma. Lets see now, not Romney, not Gingrich, Bachmann and Santorum polls all over the States are down in the single digits, and the rest sound more like Liberals and Libertarians than Republicans. Conclusion; I guess you folks want OBAMA re-elected. Why don't we sell the country to China?!
Deb C
1:56PM DEC 6TH 2011
KUDOS to Judy Hood. My BRAND of Republicanism is not decided by a Party nor do I care about polls, or WHO the Media thinks is ELECTABLE .They ARE NOT my judge, jury and executioner. Just like the SPT who twist the facts, post articles and politics, making judgements about where we should spend taxpayers money, who YOU should vote for. They call people out, name call anyone that is not a damn SOCIALIST! So there you go. And one more thing... if you let the GOVERNMENT(media) control your decisions about who is the PRESIDENT of this country , then you will wind up with OBAMA and shame on you! It is your duty to vote but do me a favor.. stay home if you are not going to vote for a person that loves our Constitution. SMART we have, but America loving he's not. If you want more of the same and worse I guess you'll be voting for NEWT or MITT or Perry, New World Order Guys that will destroy your freedom faster than a blink!

I am not voting for another eltist. Ron Paul gets my vote.
Paul Henry
12:05PM DEC 6TH 2011
If one analyzes the Tea Party/Constitutional stated values of limited government, free markets, and fiscal responsibility, and then contrasts these against the words & ACTIONS of Mr. Romney, Mr. Gingrich, and Dr. Paul, there is a clear-cut candidate. That candidate is Ron Paul. To say you support Tea Party values and also Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Romney is a contradiction in terms.

Look beyond the sound bite and research the candidates. You can spend a few hours doing this or regret not doing it for the next 4 years.
RG
12:38PM DEC 6TH 2011
BRAVO!!!!
We need a true CONSTITUTIONAL candidate such as Ron Paul.
The MSM refuses to tell the truth about how Ron Paul is really doing in the polls so you will need to research that for yourself.
Deb C
2:08PM DEC 6TH 2011
RON PAUL is a patriot, he's brilliant and because he tells the truth , loves the Constitution and he is my George Washington. You can tell a sound bite man who has to practice their answers to the pat questions whereas RP speaks from his heart and facts. The media has tried to embarrass him, humiliate him and berrate everything he says. They can not put words in his mouth or take the fire from his campaign.
MM
11:46AM DEC 6TH 2011
If we really see our choice as Romney or Gingrich than we really haven't woken up. But our pure Establishment run of the mill global elitist.
Both believe in socialized medicine and cap and trade (regardless of what they tell you when they want to be elected).

If you want someone that can beat Obama it is NOT Gingrich. He polls far behind Ron Paul. See latest poll at http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/IApolls/IA111127/Republican...

The media never reports this information and marginalizes him. Check out his floor speeches and votes over the last 20 years. He is the only one that will follow and preserve our constitution.
LDouglas
8:54AM DEC 6TH 2011
I won't give my vote to Gingrich. His stance on illegal immigration, his stance on the environment, and that other Sunshine State News story. (Or rather opinion piece by Nancy Smith.)

I would vote for Romney though. I don't see anything wrong with changing your stance on an issue "flipflopping" because you took the time to look at all sides of it. And I don't have a problem with Romneycare. (Why should taxpayers pay for the emergency and catastrophic care of people who can't afford to, but could have afforded an insurance premium?)

Otherwise, Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul are still in the race for my vote. (My one vote...) :-)
MM
12:28PM DEC 6TH 2011
If you talk to any ER worker you will learn that Medicaid puts more stress on the system than the uninsured and actually pays less.
The assumption that the uninsured do not pay their medical bills is a myth. The real problem is that the government set up a system called Medicaid but wants to offer the benefits without paying the true costs of the services. 30 million more on the system (Obamacare) will be a nightmare.
http://www.patientpowernow.org/2008/07/medicaid-strains-emergency-uninsu...
LDouglas
1:58PM DEC 6TH 2011
MM,
The article you cite says that 35% of the uninsured pay their hospital bills. Fair enough- but that still leaves 65% who don't. If the taxpayers don't pick that up, then people with insurance do.

And I don't doubt that people with Medicaid use the emergency room more than the uninsured, but that's not the main point of Romneycare- or Obamacare for that matter.

Otherwise, from what I understand of your comment, you assume the 30 million of the uninsured will qualify for Medicaid under Obamacare. I think if they did, they'd already have it and Obamacare wouldn't have come to pass.

However, I can see we are going to have sustainability problems with Medicaid as well as Medicare and even for those who have health insurance.

(BTW, if we're going to exclude helping 30 million people from joining a pool that chips in for their emergency and catastrophic health care costs, can we start with the dregs of society- like those in prison and gangbangers and the like? I'd rather chip in for the working poor than them.)
Scott Hollingsworth
6:21AM DEC 6TH 2011
The 2012 electoral scene is a sorry state of affairs. Republicans might consider banking the current funds and leave the ticket dormant for 4 years.
woundedwarrior
5:56AM DEC 6TH 2011
The tea party never really existed. It was all a fake grass roots Koch brothers corporate funded Americans for prosperity b. S.....
Diane Kepus
11:19AM DEC 6TH 2011
R U Nuts! That kind of funding goes to the Dems! The average Tea Party group around this country operates and supports itself from within and their own money. If there is a check due from Koch brohters they missed the mailbox of Deland 912.
Jay
6:01AM DEC 6TH 2011
Bingo.

The Tea party is going to be so sad on election day. Keep pushing for emotion over smarts -- that's pretty much the Tea Party in a nutshell -- and you're gonna be trashed in November. Anyone who thinks Gingrich can win a national election hasn't been in politics that long...oh, the Tea Party does.

The party that brought you Cain and Perry and Bachmann. Silly, small minded people.
RG
12:32PM DEC 6TH 2011
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid that O puts out. Do you know what happened last time a mass drinking of kool-aid happened? Wake up.