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Thanks, J.D., for Conscience Lesson on E-Verify

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By: Nancy Smith | Posted: May 5, 2011 3:55 AM
J.D. Alexander 400x200Sen. J.D. Alexander
You think Florida needs E-Verify? Really?

Listen to J.D. Alexander. Pull that 20-minute video clip from the Tuesday afternoon Senate session on immigration and just listen to him.

The Lake Wales senator pours his heart out on the reality – the cold, light-of-day reality – of using the costly, flawed, business-strangling E-Verify system. This is the system invented to check the legal-residency of new hires.

Alexander is an expert, that’s why you listen to him. Personally, I think he’s only expert on E-Verify up here. The rest of us just have opinions.

Critics say Alexander is knee-deep in conflict-of-interest. Of course he is. That’s because he’s actually running a business we think we understand but actually haven’t got a clue about.

 Nancy Smith 150x207Nancy Smith
Alexander is a Big Ag man and more. He’s the CEO of Alico, an agribusiness and land management company of breathless proportions. His fairly substantial livelihood really does rely on migrant workers who may or may not be in the country legally. He admits all that. But he’s also a patriot, and all his life the member of a conservative community that wants secure borders and no quarter for illegal aliens.

He has been using E-Verify for some time because, he says, “I believe it’s the right thing to do.”

But E-Verify is cumbersome and it's flawed, Alexander explains. You hire, run the test and wait. When name and documentation match, you're in clover. You've got "a legal."  When it doesn't, it can take as long as eight days, and then -- if there's "no match," the employee has at least another week to locate the right paperwork. What do you do? Do you let him bring in the crop while he's waiting for papers? Under the Senate bill, Alexander would be fined $500 if the employee later were found to be illegal.

Other senators complained that an employee let go after two weeks for failing E-Verify would still be eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

All the while, these workers are terrified, Alexander says. "You look in their eyes ... These are people who live and breathe, just like us. They want to work. They want to pick our blueberries and bring in our crops. These people are feeding us."

Alexander says he pays blueberry pickers $5 a basket. Even at that, even though pickers can fill 30 baskets in a shift -- that's $150 a day -- he plain can't find enough American-citizen workers who want to spend their days in a field, and he can't complete a harvest.

"I'm telling you, if every employer in every area is required to use E-Verify, a lot of things in this country aren't going to happen," he warned.

It's the federal government at fault, he claims. And I believe he's right. Congress pays lip service to a guest worker program and has since early 1993 when President Bill Clinton failed to get not one but two attorneys general he wanted. Remember Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood? Each of them had a "nanny problem." Lots of talk, lots of nonsense, lots of movement to nowhere. The guest worker program is just another piece of rhinestone candidates flash along the campaign trail.

I believe in securing our borders. I don't believe in laws for some people and not for others. But America's immigration problem and the needs -- not just of American business, but of all the American people who rely directly and indirectly on immigrant labor -- present a complex puzzle that E-Verify is unlikely to solve.

Go on. Dial up the Tuesday afternoon Senate session and see what I mean about J.D. Alexander. For me, his candor is the highlight of the session.

Comments (18)

6:47PM MAY 5TH 2011
Senator Alexander states his decision to vote NO on SB 2040 was a moral decision!......HA

Alexander is the CEO of ALICO, huge grower of citrus, sugarcane and cattle with nearly 140K acres.

Here is the statement in ALICO's 2010 Annual statement about the effect of immigration laws on the corporation. Read it and see if you detect any thing moral about it.

"Changes in immigration laws or enforcement of such laws could impact the ability of Alico to harvest its crops.
Alico engages third parties to provide personnel for its harvesting operations. Alico communicates to such third parties its policy of employing only workers approved to work in the United States. However, Alico does not specifically monitor such compliance and the personnel engaged by such third parties could be from pools composed of immigrant labor. The availability and number of such workers is subject to decrease if there are changes in the U.S. immigration laws or by stricter enforcement of such laws. The scarcity of available personnel to harvest Alico’s agricultural products could cause Alico’s harvesting costs to increase or could lead to the loss of product that is not timely harvested which could have a materially adverse effect upon Alico."


Alexander is so ethical and moral that ALICO had to pay an extra $74 Million in back taxes, fines and interest for the years 2000-2004 to the IRS.


Alexander is so ethical and moral the IRS is now looking for $22.5 Million plus interest plus penalites plus state taxes of $2.5 Million for years 2005-2007 that would amount to somewhere around $27 Milliion dollars for a total for the 7 years of over $100 Million while the company reported earning much less than they are being back taxed......is that how you operate when your when you are ethical and moral?


We'll have to wait and see what the IRS wants for years 2008-2010.


Moral and ethical?........You decide.




Grower Quote:

"We use to own our slaves......now we just rent them......."

GEORGE FULLER
ghostrideraz
1:56AM MAY 6TH 2011
E- Verify works just fine here in AZ and when the I9 is properly used it is a no brianer to the Employer and just maybe a Citzen of the US and some who calls my real Home Florida will get job to support his family!
Orangegrove
2:36PM MAY 5TH 2011
The only conscience lesson here is that JD must have a connection to Sunshine State News and Nancy Smith was obligated to come up with this as "conscience lesson". Perhaps a better "conscience lesson" would be transparancy about who owns Sunshine State News and pulls the strings.
JD Friend
3:23PM MAY 5TH 2011
You must be bonkers, pal. Remember this? http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/sen-jd-alexanders-curious-plane-t... Damned unkind to JD, this lady was. Hey, she says what she thinks!! Rare in Tallahassee.
BM
4:21PM MAY 5TH 2011
Silly Friend just look at who advertises here from time to time. I mean the Chamber and Associated Industries have both spent ad dollars here. I think the bigger question is who paid for all those illegals to spend so much time in Tally? Who paid for their meals? Who paid for the buses? Were some of them Alexander's workers? Did the Chamber pay? Hard working citizens could not do this because they were working and everyone knows when you are not a member of the corporate elite you have to pay your own way.
Tallagator
4:21PM MAY 5TH 2011
JD Friend sounds like Nancy Smith herself. A fan club of one. No surprise in journalists changing their minds at their employers whim.
Hal Blaine
8:37PM MAY 5TH 2011
Gee I liked this ... good writing and good thinking ....... Does that make me Nancy Smith too?
Tragic_consequences
12:31PM MAY 5TH 2011
It appears JD Alexander is in favor of amnesty. Perhaps he'll sponsor the bill next session. Undocumented workers have a powerful advocate in JD.
Tampabay
10:42AM MAY 5TH 2011
Nancy, It appears you are confusing "candor" with lunacy. Do you really believe that he can't find American workers for $150 a day? Doesn't pass the smell test. E-verify is a simple, inexpensive way to protect jobs for American workers. His pathetic whining about the time it takes, several days, etc., well, that's just too bad. Those of us who work in the public sector have to wait much longer than that for the results of background checks, drug screening, etc. The rules are simple. If you want to work here, you must be here legally. Sucking up seems to be the only point of your supporting this man's lunacy. Perhaps we should do away with DMV and drivers license regulations, they take up too much time also. GET REAL.
chloe slaton
10:08AM MAY 5TH 2011
is itliberal to face the truth about everify when you own a business, i dont think it is. my husband and i own a business and its hard enough wiothout these nazis in tallahassee telling us whatwe have todo. we are good prioud americans but we bearly keep our head above the water. sen alexander and nancy smith thank you for you foryour corurage.
BM
10:34AM MAY 5TH 2011
One word, proofread.
Tom22
9:38AM MAY 5TH 2011
You can bet the farm E-Verify is as near to perfect (98%) as any legislation Alexander has ever posited. If he has a better system, let's see it. Otherwise, we must assume he's groundlessly bellyaching or he has another motive. I'd agree it's the latter. His constituents need to recognize the inherent wrong in sidelining the only ready and viable tool we have in our struggle to prevent illegal alien employment in this nation. Taxpayers are exasperated with their leaders' inaction and the resultant subsidization of BOTH illegal alien workers AND their employers. If you're opposed to illegal immigration, vote him out.
LDouglas
7:59AM MAY 5TH 2011
"I'm telling you, if every employer in every area is required to use E-Verify, a lot of things in this country aren't going to happen," he warned."

If the bill is only for new hires, this doesn't make sense. Everything running now will still be running after. Unless the majority of illegal immigrants working in those industries are criminals who'll not be coming back after an arrest or being involved in a criminal investigation.

Scrapping a bill because it has a few flaws, and not doing the work necessary to make sure we have enough legal guestworkers to pick our crops does not make one a patriot. Nor does advocating to allow criminal behavior to continue.

Ms. Smith,
Your logic about illegal immigration leads me to believe this is what you'd have to say about any laws to crack down on prescription drug abuse. >I believe in cracking down on prescription drug abuse but I don't believe in a law for some people and not for others. Especially not when prescription drug abuse brings so much money into our economy. Therefore, we should scrap any bills trying to cut down on it.<

Otherwise, I will watch the video later when I have more time.
BM
7:58AM MAY 5TH 2011
Wow Nancy your liberal horns have begun to show. Let me explain something to you. It is not about making it easier for Alexander or any other business to hire those who willfully violate our laws, it is about the law and nothing else. I use e-verify and it is not costly and takes little time. I suggest you do something different, RESEARCH. You will find Alexander to be feeding you and others a line of misinformation. Did Alexander tell you those wages are from daylight to dark with only one 30 minute break? Did he tell you the housing that his illegal aliens live in, or the buses he ships them in? Most of his workers do not make those wages and he knows it. Bottom line you and Alexander are promoting modern slavery and will turn Florida into a sanctuary state. With any luck one will be able to write and then take your job. No fear the position of suck up will still be available.
Okeechobee farmer
12:07PM MAY 5TH 2011
I would advise you to do your own research before attacking farmers. Talk about taking a page from liberals. It's too much trouble for you or any other soap box preacher to actually take a tour out to rural Florida to see reality and the good jobs provided. It's easier to vilify farmers who work day and night to deliver fresh food to all the city homes of your type.
BM
12:36PM MAY 5TH 2011
I have Never attacked farmers. During my youth I worked on a dairy farm, bailed hay (not round bails), milked cattle, planted corn, soybeans, wheat and cleaned barns many times. I started when I was 10. During hay season we use to help neighbors get their hay up, it was a great time. We worked before daylight till after dark.

Ms. Smith seems to justify that just because Sen. Alexander pays his employees so well that all employers pay their illegals they same great wages. The fact is that they drive the wages down and she knows it. Hotels, restaurants, landscaping all professions where citizens worked twenty years ago are now dominated by illegals who keep wages down.

Another thing to consider is our high school graduates. Where are the entry level jobs for them? How do they learn and work their way up in a field they like? How do they learn so they can own their own business. They can't as the entry level jobs are all taken by illegals or others who will keep those wages low and have no chance for advancement.

Besides, your premise and mine do not matter. The only thing that matters is that No One should hire someone who is not in this country legally. If you do not like the law well then change the Constitution. If you want guest worker programs then work for that. However, never, ever try to justify hiring people who knowingly break our laws just to increase profits.
LDouglas
9:31PM MAY 5TH 2011
BM,
For a good many years I made my living off farming and I didn't see your comment as an attack on farmers. And as if most farmers are are only in the business to provide food to put on the plates of city people with no regard to profit. Ha!

BTW, I never bailed hay, but I have driven the tractor for those who picked the bails up. :-)

Also was paid $10 an hour nearly 30 years ago to pick tomatoes. Put that into today's money and I might be willing to pick them again for a living- instead of a hobby.
LDouglas
9:32PM MAY 5TH 2011
Oops, should be bales- must still have criminals on my mind...